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Metamodernism, Play, and Growth | A Conversation with Robert Kelley

The Functionally Imperative Podcast is dedicated to exploring play, creativity, and autotelic pursuits.

In this episode, I sit down with Robert Kelley Ayala on the Functionally Imperative Podcast to explore the emerging philosophical system of metamodernism. This episode navigates through various topics such as societal challenges, personal growth, the intricacies of modernism and postmodernism, and how to engage in a polarized world. Robert elaborates on metamodernism's foundations, its oscillation between opposing viewpoints, and its relevance to today's societal and individual development stages. Tune in for a deep dive into thought-provoking discussions around the evolution of society and individual self-determination.


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00:00 Introduction to Growth and Change
00:34 Welcome to the Functionally Imperative Podcast
00:37 Introducing Metamodernism with Robert Kelley
02:54 Diving into Metamodernism
09:32 Phases of Personal and Societal Development
14:12 The Role of Metamodernism in Society
19:37 Political Polarization and Metamodernism
29:02 Personal Reflections and Global Perspectives
37:10 The Concept of Humanity Bath
46:37 Embracing Play and Openness
53:11 Seagulls from Another Dimension
54:05 The Playful Dolphin Concept
54:17 Claude Shannon: The Father of Information Theory
56:42 The Absurd Machine and Playfulness
57:27 The Importance of Play in Life
58:27 The Fascinating Behavior of Cats
01:01:22 Toxoplasmosis and Human Behavior
01:05:05 The Role of Viruses in Human Evolution
01:08:32 Metamodernism and Organizational Psychology
01:10:29 The Complexity of Human Relationships
01:11:40 The Dangers of Purity Tests
01:25:05 The Need for Free Speech and Understanding
01:39:39 The Future of Metamodern Consulting
01:43:18 Conclusion and Final Thoughts